FQF Clarification

Mar 13, 2009,01:27 AM
 

Graham,

In a previous inteview with Mr KFS, the FQF was described and the founding committee. click here

The only LUC staff in Kong's photos was Mr Wehrli.  The others were either restaurant or FQF personnel.

Regards,

MTF

 

 

On Qualite Fleurier

IW:  Since the establishment of the Qualite Fleurier and initial issue of watches by Chopard, Bovet and Parmigiani, we have not heard much about the QF mark. What do you think of the penetration of the QF mark in the market place?

KFS: There are two things:

First, the bar is pretty high, if not, very high. It prevents the companies from producing too many watches with the QF mark. Every cased watch is tested and takes a longer and finite time. The testing equipment could handle more pieces but not too many more. So, we have to go back to the drawing board in one or two cases. We are working on a new QF movement.

Secondly, as QF an independent organisation, it should communicate independently and not through the founding brands. I was insisting that we should do more to promote QF. When you are alone – decisions are made easily; when you are two parties – it's a little more difficult; when you are three…

 

IW: Can anybody submit watches for testing at QF?

KFS: Yes – we have had interest from other companies asking for information.

IW: I was thinking more of a consumer mass testing of many brands using the QF as a benchmark. Is there anything in the rules to prevent this, in theory?

KFS: The regulations did not really foresee this question about consumer testing. To apply as a manufacturer, you have to fulfil two criteria – the movements that you present have a cost and the finishing has to reach QF standards. An independent institute does the crash testing. Theoretically, if your watches went through all these, they could proceed to QF testing.

IW: Theoretically, such a consumer test could be an independent assessment not only of watch brands but also of the QF test itself, especially if watches with the Geneva Seal were included as positive controls.

KFS: I agree – that could be interesting.  By the way, the COSC has decided to change their rules as of 2009. Rather than just testing the base movement, if you are adding complication modules (chronograph, calendar etc), you must present the whole assembled movement for testing. It is not quite testing of cased-up watches but still a revolution; I'm glad that QF inspired them. The number of chronometers may drop in 2009 because the standards will be higher and for example, if you test a perpetual calendar for chronometry, the results will not be favourable for a COSC rating.

 

IW: How has QF affected Chopard processes?

KFS: QF is a long-term project. It has helped us in the development of new movements, testing equipment and attention to details. Those improvements alone are enough to say that QF is an excellent thing.

 

IW: QF standard includes a very small chronometry window (0 to +5s/day) and a 24-h impact torture test. What have you actually modified on the L.U.C. 9.96 movement that sets it apart from the "usual" L.U.C. 1.96 movement to survive the impacts and still deliver such precision?

KFS: This demonstrates what I said earlier; we had to improve on our anti-shock mechanisms because we realised that we had to pass the QF tests. That alone has convinced us to keep up the QF Initiative and we are planning to increase the number of watches submitted; in fact, Chopard will make the most watches of QF standard in the world.

 

IW: Watch collectors already know that COSC is not a real world test of chronometry as only the movement (and modules after 2009) is tested; Philippe Dufour has commented that QF is a way forward to test watches. What are your impressions?

KFS: It is as close to real-life testing as we can get and it's like taking a car for a test-drive rather than just an engine test on a dynamometer.

 

 


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Chopard Manufacture Visit Part 2(b) - Visit to the Independent Fleurier Quality Foundation

 
 By: Kong : March 11th, 2009-06:16
Please click here for Part 1 of Chopard Visit. Please click here for Part 2 (a) Fleurier is really tranquil and the air is really fresh! The view from the top of Chapeau de Napoleon is breathtaking. It is cooler too. Chapeau de Napoleon is a hotel-cum-res...  

great job again kong! [nt]

 
 By: ArthurSG : March 11th, 2009-08:08

FQ test is high standard test.

 
 By: ling5hk : March 11th, 2009-10:29
Kong, It is interesting to find out that if we randomly select the watches from PP, VC, AP, Breguet and other high end brands for FQ test, how many of them will be able to pass the test. Regards Ling

very interesting, but slightly confusing for me. questions below

 
 By: G99 : March 11th, 2009-11:27
is this only for Chopard watches or open to any swiss or european made watch? if it is open to any then is it similar to geneva seal quality, but not confined to watches made in geneva? it looks fascinating, but i was a bit confused as all the staff are L... 

But the fries were good :-)

 
 By: Kong : March 12th, 2009-13:51
Hi Graham Answers to your questions: As mentioned in my post, the FQF certification is opened to any Swiss or European brands. It is more than Geneva Seal which focuses on aesthetic. The FQF is a combination of aesthetic and technicality-cum-functionality... 

Kong, I am not trying to create trouble.

 
 By: mokling : March 12th, 2009-20:00
Will FQF accept watches from private collector to go through the Flueritest? If yes, I am interested to pick some of my watches to FQF for my own satisfaction. It would be interesting to see the results. Regards Ling

From definition ...

 
 By: Kong : March 12th, 2009-22:29
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FQF Clarification

 
 By: MTF : March 13th, 2009-01:27
Graham, In a previous inteview with Mr KFS, the FQF was described and the founding committee. click here The only LUC staff in Kong's photos was Mr Wehrli. The others were either restaurant or FQF personnel. Regards, MTF On Qualite Fleurier IW: Since the ... 

Now I really want to go visit Chopard!

 
 By: DRMW : March 11th, 2009-11:39
Kong, Thanks again for another great report and pic! -MW

Interesting. And a question.

 
 By: BDLJ : March 11th, 2009-16:20
Why does the FQF ban plastic from movements? It seems a completely arbitrary material to ban. Just as "avante-garde" materials are ill-defined. So polyester is banned, but if you mix some unnecessary chopped strands of graphite fibres into it, it's OK?

BDLJ... that's a good question!

 
 By: Kong : March 12th, 2009-13:58
The first part should be from the tradition. As for the second part, does composite qualify as 'avant-garde' ... I will have to ask. Kong

Thank you. nt [nt]

 
 By: BDLJ : March 12th, 2009-15:37
No message body

About the materials again ....

 
 By: Kong : March 12th, 2009-21:39
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Is that a...

 
 By: patrickau : March 11th, 2009-18:56
Is that a Mille Miglia sending in for a Fleurier seal? 1. Other than the 9.96 QF, are there other LUCs with the Fleurier Seal? 2. Does Chopard plan to Fleurier Sealed all their LUCs in the futrure? 3. Can a watch have BOTH the Geneva (movement) and the Fl...  

Hi Pat...to answer your 3 questions ...

 
 By: Kong : March 12th, 2009-14:10
1. Yes, at the moment only L.U.C Cal 9.96 is for the FQF certified model..the ref 161896. 2. I doubt so. Firstly, though it is a logical test and beneficial to the owners, it is difficult to pass the tests. And not many know about this certification versu... 

Thanks Kong for the replies

 
 By: patrickau : March 12th, 2009-19:12

Thanks, Kong!

 
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Another extremely interesting article from your trip to Chopard.  So, now that you've seen what a watch goes through in order to obtain the Fleurier seal, do you feel more motivated to make your next purchase a timepiece that has achieved this distinction... 

FQF tour...

 
 By: MSB : March 12th, 2009-20:29
Kong, Thank you again for the lovely photos of the FQF. Here is my contribution: Best, MSB...  

wow,one of my Chopard watch was certificated there....

 
 By: tanswa1 : March 15th, 2009-07:00
Very impressive setup at the site. Proud that one of my Chopard watch was certificated there, the quality and testing facility make me felt confident when I put on my chapard each day. Hope that Chopard would bring more model went through the certificatio... 

Welcome Tanswa1...

 
 By: Kong : March 16th, 2009-04:46

Report

 
 By: Sajid_Mahmood : March 16th, 2009-13:30
Hu Great report however without trying to undermine Chopard which I'm sure is a great manufacturer of fine time pieces. I am a little dissapointed with what is acceptable in terms of the various parts. Clearly, the parts that are refused should be refused... 

Photographs

 
 By: Sajid_Mahmood : March 18th, 2009-14:50